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If you work in a pharmacy, the words “Prior Authorization” can run chills down your spine. Normally, when a medication requires a PA, we just fax a form that we print out to the doctor’s office that has all the pertinent information:

  • Patient’s name and DOB
  • name of the medication and why it’s rejecting (if we know)
  • Insurance ID# and phone#

In the rare case when a doctor doesn’t have a fax number, I get to call and leave all of this information on their voicemail (god forbid they should actually answer the phone, yet they still complain when I pick up the phone and they have to wait 30 seconds to speak to the pharmacist.)

An hour or so after I called in one particular PA today (well, yesterday now; man I hate it when I can’t sleep all night) the doctor himself called back.

MD: “Hi The is Dr. Highandmighty. I need to speak to the person who called in this Prior Authorization for my patient Mrs. Outofluck.” (Don’t you just love my nicknames for patient?) :)

RPh: “Hold on one second that was my Tech.”

Me: “This is Andrew; How can I help you?”

MD: “Hi, Andrew. I just wanted to let you know that you did a better job than most when you called in the Prior Authorization; you gave me the ID# and insurance phone#” (at this point I’m expecting that he got it through quickly and was just letting us know) “but you forgot one thing.”

Me: “Oh, what was that?” (puzzled, since I was sure I had left all of the information)

MD: (in a very condescending tone) “Well, don’t you think I could’ve used the patient’s date of birth?”

Me: (doh!) “Oh, sorry about that, it’s 1/5/62.”

MD: “Well, next time just make sure you don’t forget it so I don’t have to waste my time calling you back.”

Here’s the response I gave:

Me: “I’ll be sure to do that. Thanks, uh huh, bye.”

Here’s the response I wanted to give:

Me: “First of all, how many times have you called in a script without a DOB, and we had to look it up” (he does this a lot, actually) “or forgotten to write the date or your signature or a strength (etc.) and we had to call your staff to verify it. Plus, if we had had a valid fax number or if your voicemail had listed it, I could have just faxed you over this nice clean form we have with all of the information you need laid out very nicely, instead of having to leave it on your voicemail while trying to count out a script and tell someone where the toothpaste is (something you don’t have to deal with because you at least get to hide in your office and actually schedule when patients are allowed to come in).

“Second of all, you’re going to have to pull the chart anyway (unless, of course, you have it memorized, which I seriously doubt) to be able to document for the insurance company what other medication’s the patient has tried and the medical reasons the patient has to be on this medication, so unless your charts are organized by DOB or date seen by the doctor (which again, I seriously doubt) you could’ve kept from wasting both our time and just gotten her DOB from her file. Thanks, bye.”

So instead of wasting 5 minutes calling us, he could have just looked at the file he was going to have to pull (or have his staff pull, since most MD’s farm PA’s out to their nursing staff anyway). I wish I could make that much money for being such a moron.

Military Medicine

Hi, everybody. Sorry for the long hiatus, but I was trying to keep the “desperate plea” post at the top of the site for obvious reasons. The good news is we’ve hired a new technician (well, technician in training) and we’re interviewing another new tech on Saturday that has 6 years of experience, so posts should become more frequent around here.

If you’ve ever been in the military, known someone in the military, or read a newspaper some time in the past year, you know how bad military medicine can be.

Now, imagine trying to deal with all that, and a kid that has been off of their ADHD medicine for a week and a half, and having to find your way around in a new town at your latest posting.

A while back, a mother brought in a script for her son for Focalin XR 15mg, and no other pharmacy in the area had it. (Now, normally, this line would get an automatic “we don’t have it either” from me, but since the kid was bouncing up and down like a chimpanzee, I was more apt to believe her).

The doctor in Ohio had written a script, but nobody (including us) would fill it because he had forgotten to write the “XR”. They had run out when they first moved to out area from Ohio, and the base clinic couldn’t (or wouldn’t) schedule an appointment until that morning.

Problem One: The script was written on a god-forsaken DOD script that are never legible and look like they were printed in the 1960’s.

Problem Two: The doctor didn’t put her DEA number on the script, which of course, is required form all Schedule II medications (and indeed, all schedule III-V medications.)

Thankfully, the mom had a phone number for the clinic, a rarity in military medicine. So, we called and asked for the Doctor’s DEA number.

Problem Three: This particular doctor didn’t have a DEA number (WTF?), so we legally couldn’t fill the script.

Problem Four: Since Focalin XR is a schedule II medication, we’re not allowed to change much on the prescription, including the doctor’s name (same reason the “Focalin”, sans “XR” above couldn’t be filled).

Problem Five: It was almost 5pm and there was no way for the mom to make it back to the clinic before they closed.

However, the doctor offered to have someone stay until the mom could make it back to the clinic, which is 30+ minutes away. A new script, written by a doctor with a DEA number, would be waiting there for her to pick up.

Problem Six: She had to deal with a screaming kid in the car for yet another hour.

When the mom brought the new script back to the pharmacy, I typed it in and gave it to the pharmacist so she could pull the medication from the safe and count it. When she was checking it, she came across:

Problem Seven: The new doctor had neglected to write the strength (15mg); I had come to know the script so well, I hadn’t even noticed the lack of a strength when I was typing it in.

Thankfully, the mom still had the other (technically non-valid) script, so we just took both and called the clinic the next day to verify (the strength is one of the few things on a Schedule II that we can change.)

So after about 4 hours work (granted most of the work was the mom’s, not ours) TriCare paid us a whopping $5.69 over our cost. Thanks.

At least the mom was nice throughout the whole ordeal, especially considering the problem child she was having to deal with the whole time. Thank goodness for small miracles.

Perco-Hell

I’m going to call yesterday Perco-hell. We must have done five or six percocet rx’s within a 2-hour period. Two of them came at almost the same time.

One of them didn’t have a DEA number (and we didn’t even have it on file) so I had to call the doctor’s office. The “nurse” that answered the phone told me she wasn’t authorized to give that information out, but to go ahead and fill the script because it was valid. (What school did she go to where they think that’s acceptable?)

The other one had the date 5/22 without a year. It was from the hospital, where the patient had given birth. So, we asked to speak to the ob/gyn who had seen her (since we couldn’t read the doctor’s name, of course). He said she had been discharged on 5/22/07, but he didn’t remember writing a script for percocet. “But I’ll ok it anyway. Here’s my DEA number…”

After those and a few other perco scripts, our supply for the long holiday weekend was brought perilously low. I hope there aren’t a lot of car accidents.

Too much antidepression

The other day we had a patient (call her Amy) come in to refill her Lexapro prescription. Unfortunately it was out of refills, so we had to advance her 3 days worth and fax the doctor a refill request. Yesterday, when we got the prescription e-scripted to us, it was sent for her mom (call her Anna.) Ok, no big deal. We called the office and got it straightened out.

Or so we thought. This morning, two more prescriptions, one for Lexapro and one for Celexa, were e-scripted to us for Anna — along with faxed prescriptions for Xanax and Xanax XR. Now, I’m not a pharmacist — I haven’t had my 6 years of school yet — but even I know you don’t mix Celexa (citalopram) with Lexapro (escitalopram), since they’re essentially the same thing. (not even to mention that Xanax and Xanax XR are the same medicine, alprazolam.)

Of course, this all happened right before noon, so I had to wait until 1:30 to call. (How come doctors get 90 minute lunch breaks and pharmacies are lucky to get 30 minutes?) Well the, ahem, “nurse” I talked to said, “Of course Dr. Feelgood wants her on all of them. He prescribed them, didn’t he?”

So, I explained to her my concerns. “Well, let me ask the doctor. Hold on one second, m’kay?” After a few seconds, she came back and told me she had spoken to the doctor and confirmed that he wanted all 4 meds. Needless to say, I didn’t even bother getting her name.

After I told all of this to the pharmacist, she decided to call and speak with the doctor himself. (Good luck.) However, she was told he wouldn’t be available until 3:00. When the pharmacist called back, she was told he was gone for the day.

Any guesses on whether we filled the scripts or not?

Witch Doctors

If you work in a pharmacy, you will definitely encounter your fair share of them:

witch doctor – noun
a physician, dentist, or other medical practitioner that is a real PITA, or otherwise makes working in a pharmacy a living hell

Well I had the honor of talking with a real witch of a doctor this morning. But the story starts yesterday, so I will, too.

Yesterday, a woman (call her Ms. Dill) brought in a prescription for her 91-year-old mother-in-law (I just love hypenation) for Carafate, a liquid medication used to treat, in this case, most likely duodenal ulcer (based on the dosing).

The prescription was written for 10 ml’s, four times daily, dispense 32oz. Surprisingly, we actually had that much in stock, so I filled two 16oz bottles with the chalky pink stuff, and gave them to the pharmacist to check. We sold it to Ms. Dill for $68 (pretty high copay, but she paid it.) Everything was fine.

Or so we thought. Later that night, Ms. Dill called the pharmacy, surprised that the medicine wasn’t in individual dose cups like the doctor had said. (I’ve never seen them outside of hospital pharmacy.) She wanted to return the medicine and exchange it for the kind that comes in dose cups.

Unfortunately, our company has a policy that once medication leaves the pharmacy, it can’t be taken back unless there was a mistake on the pharmacy’s part. Since we dispensed the correct medication, with the correct directions, we hadn’t made a mistake.

So, we told Ms. Dill we could call the doctor and request a refill in order to give her the dose cups, but that she might be required to pay full price ($170), since the insurance had already been billed for one fill. She seemed okay with that, so we left a note to call the doctor the next morning.

Ok, back where we started. Before we had a chance to contact the doctor (call her Dr. Meanie), we got a call from her, in her fake british accent, demanding to know why we wouldn’t take back the medicine when the pharmacy made a mistake.

I told her we didn’t make a mistake. We dispensed the correct medication, in the correct amount, with the right directions.

“But I wanted dose cups! You didn’t give her dose cups.”

“Well, Dr. Meanie, it doesn’t say anywhere on the script that you wanted dose cups.” And I read it back to her.

“And nobody questioned it when the prescription didn’t say that!?”

“No, doctor, we always pour it into a bottle. I’ve never seen dose cups outside of hospital pharmacy. If the patient wants individual dosing, you can either authorize a refill, or we could offer to prefill oral syringes for her.”

Well that set the doctor off. “Don’t you DARE offer her that! Her hands are too week to handle a syringe, that’s why I wanted dose cups!” Ok, doctor, so she can’t hold the bottle (too heavy) and she can’t use a syringe (too small), but she has the dexterity to pull the foil off of a small cup of medicine? (Imagine one of those ketchup containers they used to use at McD’s but even harder to open.)

Well, to make a long story short not quite as long, the pharmacist ended up deciding to just eat the cost of the original medicine (at least we’ll be able to send it away to be destroyed and get some money back) and order the dose cups.

$200 down the drain; and the government’s worried about wasting medicine (google “fraud waste and abuse” or wait for me to complain about it at some point.)

Ugh. I need some Carafate.

Financial Distress

One of the hardest parts about working in a pharmacy is watching patients having to choose between medicine and a meal on the table every night. Yes, there are financial assistance programs like the PPA (one of my favorites, by the way) or manufacturer programs, but in many cases patient’s don’t qualify for them because they earn just a little too much money.

Never mind that insurance premiums and copays keep going up, and insurance companies keep adding or expanding deductibles so patients have to pay out of pocket until the deductible is reached.

I have one patient that gets Altace (ramipril), which is an ACE Inhibitor. She has prescription coverage, but her insurance won’t cover it because there are much cheaper generics in the same class. We called the doctor to get the drug changed, citing cost reduction, and the doctor was practically incensed that we would even suggest it. “Have you tried prescribing a generic yet?” we asked. (Of course not, those studies that the Altace people gave her showed that it works much better.)

So, instead of paying $4 a month for generic lisinopril (or slightly more for fosinopril or benazapril) She has to pay almost $60. (when she can afford it.)

There’s also Merujo, a fellow blogger I met at the January dc blogger meetup. She has a problem in her eye where the blood vessels are growing exponentially, causing her loss of vision. She is being treated with injections of Avastin, a drug used to treat colon cancer. But, since the drug isn’t approved for this use, her insurance won’t cover it. So Merujo is faced with a choice: Go broke or go blind…

Sometimes, I wish I could just take out my credit card and pay for a patient’s meds myself, but of course if I did that, I’d go broke too. We really need to do something about the medical care in our country. I just don’t know what…

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